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	<title>Comments on: #62: samuel holladay, pioneer squatter of lafayette park</title>
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		<title>By: danvk.org &#187; Best Podcasts of 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>danvk.org &#187; Best Podcasts of 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his episodes are generally excellent and give me perspective on my new home. About halfway through one episode, I realized that all the events were taking place at a park just a few blocks from my house! I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- I never knew pieces of that Hearst monastery had traveled so far from Golden Gate Park!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; I never knew pieces of that Hearst monastery had traveled so far from Golden Gate Park!</p>
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		<title>By: mzdebra</title>
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		<dc:creator>mzdebra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>richard,
i so look forward to imagining the samuel holladay  era the next time i stroll by lafayette park. thank you for the wonderful stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richard,<br />
i so look forward to imagining the samuel holladay  era the next time i stroll by lafayette park. thank you for the wonderful stories.</p>
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		<title>By: richard - sparkletack</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard - sparkletack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea, Erich - but I&#039;m not sure it fits the facts well enough.

The Van Ness ordinance was seen as something that was desperately needed at that chaotic time, and a great success -- in fact, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Van_Ness&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;James Van Ness&lt;/a&gt; was elected mayor on the strength of its popularity. Holladay didn&#039;t write it, just shepherded the thing through the state legislature.

And though he certainly was in the &lt;em&gt;position&lt;/em&gt; to help other men with unethical land litigation against the city, there&#039;s just no record that he did so. Many city records were lost in the great fire of &#039;06, though, so we may never know.

As to his association with various wealthy men of the city whom I&#039;ve characterized as &quot;barons&quot;, they seem to have come into his orbit &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; the Holladay Hill case was settled. In other words, this would have been after the Western Addition lands were settled, providing no opportunity for any &quot;Deadwood&quot;-like land grabs.

One of his famous cases actually involved &lt;em&gt;prosecuting&lt;/em&gt; some of San Francisco&#039;s richest men -- the infamous Comstock Lode &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonanza_Kings&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bonanza Kings&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, Flood, O&#039;Brien, Fair, and Mackey. (The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf064.asp&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Flood mansion&lt;/a&gt; is the only &quot;Robber Baron&quot;-era castle to have survived the &#039;06 fire -- it&#039;s still up on Nob Hill.) Holladay represented stockholders who claimed that the &quot;Kings&quot; had bilked them by misrepresented bullion production... and he won. 

I&#039;m afraid that I still have to draw the conclusion that I came to in the podcast. Though his squatting of Holladay Hill looks quite shady, he seems to have thought of himself and been thought of as an honourable, respectable man. Odd as it sounds, I think he was convinced that he was in the right!

Still, I have to admit that your interpretation is a much more exciting one! And if any evidence comes to light, I&#039;d love to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea, Erich &#8211; but I&#8217;m not sure it fits the facts well enough.</p>
<p>The Van Ness ordinance was seen as something that was desperately needed at that chaotic time, and a great success &#8212; in fact, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Van_Ness" target="_blank">James Van Ness</a> was elected mayor on the strength of its popularity. Holladay didn&#8217;t write it, just shepherded the thing through the state legislature.</p>
<p>And though he certainly was in the <em>position</em> to help other men with unethical land litigation against the city, there&#8217;s just no record that he did so. Many city records were lost in the great fire of &#8216;06, though, so we may never know.</p>
<p>As to his association with various wealthy men of the city whom I&#8217;ve characterized as &#8220;barons&#8221;, they seem to have come into his orbit <em>after</em> the Holladay Hill case was settled. In other words, this would have been after the Western Addition lands were settled, providing no opportunity for any &#8220;Deadwood&#8221;-like land grabs.</p>
<p>One of his famous cases actually involved <em>prosecuting</em> some of San Francisco&#8217;s richest men &#8212; the infamous Comstock Lode &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonanza_Kings" target="_blank">Bonanza Kings</a>&#8220;, Flood, O&#8217;Brien, Fair, and Mackey. (The <a href="http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf064.asp" target="_blank">Flood mansion</a> is the only &#8220;Robber Baron&#8221;-era castle to have survived the &#8216;06 fire &#8212; it&#8217;s still up on Nob Hill.) Holladay represented stockholders who claimed that the &#8220;Kings&#8221; had bilked them by misrepresented bullion production&#8230; and he won. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that I still have to draw the conclusion that I came to in the podcast. Though his squatting of Holladay Hill looks quite shady, he seems to have thought of himself and been thought of as an honourable, respectable man. Odd as it sounds, I think he was convinced that he was in the right!</p>
<p>Still, I have to admit that your interpretation is a much more exciting one! And if any evidence comes to light, I&#8217;d love to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Stonestreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Stonestreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, this story is great, and it also seems possible that you&#039;ve discovered the legal hub of a much larger scam, possibly one of the greatest land scams ever.

Questions...

In addition to directly benefiting from his own laws, which of Holladay&#039;s CLIENTS also benefited? You mentioned all these barons coming over -- it seems like they weren&#039;t coming over for cultural enrichment, but rather to get legal counsel on how to use the same tactics (&quot;I bought this land when it was still Mexico&quot;). It was a Deadwood-like situation after all. 

Did any of Holladay&#039;s clients go through similar legal proceedings? Perhaps many were settled without a peep (because they didn&#039;t claim land in a park) and we&#039;ll never know just how much land was had for nothing by those who could afford to pay or pay-off Holladay. 

Who sponsored that legislation? Who paid for Holladay&#039;s various candidacies? It just seems like as much as you dug up, perhaps you only scratched the surface. Perhaps ironically, Holladay was the only one who got his hands caught in the cookie jar while his clients took, as Monty Python put it, &quot;Huge tracks of land!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, this story is great, and it also seems possible that you&#8217;ve discovered the legal hub of a much larger scam, possibly one of the greatest land scams ever.</p>
<p>Questions&#8230;</p>
<p>In addition to directly benefiting from his own laws, which of Holladay&#8217;s CLIENTS also benefited? You mentioned all these barons coming over &#8212; it seems like they weren&#8217;t coming over for cultural enrichment, but rather to get legal counsel on how to use the same tactics (&#8220;I bought this land when it was still Mexico&#8221;). It was a Deadwood-like situation after all. </p>
<p>Did any of Holladay&#8217;s clients go through similar legal proceedings? Perhaps many were settled without a peep (because they didn&#8217;t claim land in a park) and we&#8217;ll never know just how much land was had for nothing by those who could afford to pay or pay-off Holladay. </p>
<p>Who sponsored that legislation? Who paid for Holladay&#8217;s various candidacies? It just seems like as much as you dug up, perhaps you only scratched the surface. Perhaps ironically, Holladay was the only one who got his hands caught in the cookie jar while his clients took, as Monty Python put it, &#8220;Huge tracks of land!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great episode! I was completely captured by the story, good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great episode! I was completely captured by the story, good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back! - I look forward to more of your in-depth podcasts. I do like the two part format, but would suggest a brief recap so they can stand alone. Also hope to hear some east bay stuff. I read an interesting book recently that was not as prurient as I had expected - Murder by the Bay by Charles Adams. 
Regards,
Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back! &#8211; I look forward to more of your in-depth podcasts. I do like the two part format, but would suggest a brief recap so they can stand alone. Also hope to hear some east bay stuff. I read an interesting book recently that was not as prurient as I had expected &#8211; Murder by the Bay by Charles Adams.<br />
Regards,<br />
Joe</p>
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